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philovivero

Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 10:39 am
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I am using Blender to create Nude and Erotic art. I found out that Blenderman.Org doesn't want this kind of art, and it also seems like CentralSource.com is leery of it.

So I created my own site.

http://faemalia.com I started the site with the intent of just putting up Blender renders, but then figured my Sodipodi and GIMP drawings should also go there.

If you want to use Blender to create Nude and Erotic art, a good place to start might be the .blend's I've made available on my personal site: http://faemalia.net/Blender -- these are licensed only for noncommercial use, but you can learn a lot from the .blends and if you just make art for fun, then you can modify them and re-post them for others to enjoy.

Thanks for your attention.

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Bellorum

Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 12:36 pm
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Absolutely beautiful work! Shocked About some websites not to eagre to post them, you have to understand that they want to the greatest extent to avoid offending people, and nudity have a history for doing just that. Also, I guess, a lot of underage people may be surfing those pages too. But anyway, thanks for sharing, both the finished images and the blends Smile
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tmt

Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 5:25 pm
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Very nice stuff indeed. Great renders and it's very nice from you to put out your blend files too. Very good modeling.

I just downloaded couple of your blends, just to chek out your armature setup, and indeed there are some great pointers to learn from. So thanks. Very Happy
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poutsa

Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 5:37 pm
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Thats Great...!!!!
Thanks for this Amazing Blend Files..!!
I can learn many things about Rigging and other Features in Blender from this Blend files..!

THANKS!!

Ciao

Vassilios
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joeedh

Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2004 8:19 pm
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You know, it's not so much the nude part that bothers people as the erotic part. So please, discuss this somewhere else.

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M@dcow

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:03 am
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Nice work from a technical standpoint, and I certainly have nothing against erotic art, but what bugs me is the fact that these pictures appear to be showing girls that are about 12years old.
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joeedh

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:25 am
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M@dcow wrote:
Nice work from a technical standpoint, and I certainly have nothing against erotic art, but what bugs me is the fact that these pictures appear to be showing girls that are about 12years old.


Well, I do have a problem with this kind of thing. I know the moderators are probably still at the Blender conference or traveling home, but isn't there someone who can delete this thread?

Eh, I know that that sounds "I am so offended at you you are evil"--but I feel really strongly about this. No stuff like this is supposed to be posted here!

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halibut

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:32 am
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You should at least post no thumbnails directly in the post, "not work safe" just attracts more clicks!
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philovivero

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:42 am
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Well, I do have a problem with this kind of thing. I know the moderators are probably still at the Blender conference or traveling home, but isn't there someone who can delete this thread?


Grow up. There's nothing offensive here. I'm letting people know that if they have an interest in using Blender for this sort of thing where to go.

1. The models for these images (which, as you'll notice, aren't posted here) were well over 18.
2. I am posting my meshes and rigs as .blend's for FREE -- this is hugely useful as a learning tool.
3. A huge majority of 3D modellers are strongly interested in organic modelling, if not to do, at least to understand.

How can you seriously propose deleting a thread that is 100% on-topic, nonviolent, constructive, and useful to the community???

I definitely recommend acting in a more mature fashion and am astounded at your childish behaviour.

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halibut

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:59 am
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This is a developers forum, there is a user community forum elsewhere.

Whilst I am not offended by this, I do feel as though it is not actually very appropriate to be posted within the News forum.
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NateTG

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 2:28 am
Joined: 14 Oct 2002
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I just want to agree with joeedh. While nudity is generally accepted in an artistic community, "erotic" art is not. This is what you agreed to when you signed up here:

Terms of Use wrote:
You explicitly agree, in using this web site or any service provided, that you shall not:
(a) provide any Content or perform any conduct that may be unlawful, illegal, threatening, harmful, abusive, harassing, stalking, tortious, defamatory, libelous, vulgar, obscene, offensive, objectionable, pornographic, designed to or does interfere or interrupt this web site or any service provided, infected with a virus or other destructive or deleterious programming routine, give rise to civil or criminal liability, or which may violate an applicable local, national or international law;

(Yes, whether you actually read it or not, you agreed to it.)

By the fact that (a) You labelled it "erotic" (b) You felt the need to state that all models are over 18, this statement applies to this post.

Whether you or I agree with it or not, is irrelevant. Those are the rules of this forum. Finally, this is a development forum. This thread has nothing to do with Blender's development.

Feel free to flame all you want, but calling people childish when they stand up for their morals doesn't make you look any better.

Cheers,
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joeri

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 8:59 am
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Ai ai ai,
let's contact a moderator and let them decide.

in response to NateTG:

There is the difference between nudity, erotic and pornographic.
1. Nudity is when someone is undressed.
2. Erotic is when you start to have erotic feelings.
3. Pornography are images/writings about "doing it".

So, in a lawyers point of view Philovivero did not break the agreement on the pornographic part.

The offensive part is a difficult one; offensive to who is the question here. To the mayority? Or to anyone?
That could set things on a sliding path. If I find some remarks (say about artists not belonging to the blender.org community) very offensive can thoose posts be deleted? Who decides?

There are some things to take into account on the agreement:
The server is in the netherlands, I'm not sure what that does to the "unlawful, illegal" part, since there is no cyberspace law.
I think that means unlawful, illegal in the netherlands... If so, dutch laws don't regard erotic art as illegal, they don't regard pornographic art as illegal and they don't find pornagraphy illegal.
What does that do to the offensive bit? In a legal point of view.


In response to halibut:
"This is a developers forum, there is a user community forum elsewhere."

This seems a fair statement to me, although I'm not happy that there seems to be no room for artists on blender.org (this will change soon)
the fact that it is makes the post "off topic": It's no news or chat about blender development.

Then I'd like to state a third:
Although I'm abit offended by, or disturbed by looking at 18 year olds that are portraid like 12 year olds (?18 year old verteces?) who are playing with balls. I don't think that's a reason to delete the post.

The post states that the link leads me to erotic art, I pressed the button.
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Arathorn

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 9:17 am
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The only problem I see with this topic is that it has gone off-topic.
Please return to it. Rolling Eyes
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M@dcow

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 10:58 am
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
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joeri wrote:


Then I'd like to state a third:
Although I'm abit offended by, or disturbed by looking at 18 year olds that are portraid like 12 year olds (?18 year old verteces?) who are playing with balls. I don't think that's a reason to delete the post.


I'm glad someone here agrees with me. The sad thing to say is that these images (seem) to cater for people with a bad case of R Kelly syndrome.

Because of the (apparent) age of the models, I have to say that I don't find it even remotely erotic. I also take the stance of Joeri in saying that because I may or may not approve of it is no reason to delete the post. Philovivero gave amble warning in the post and the topic title.

He is also correct in pointing out that a lot of people (developers included) will learn something by looking at these .blend files.
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ton

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:06 am
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The blender.org site is there in the first place for the "people who want to be involved". This in the widest definition possible, ranging from artists and developers to authors and educators.
Apart from this 'community' we also serve a public general purpose; to present Blender as a product, inform people about using Blender and help them out with it.

From communications I've had - especially with high school teachers - I am very aware that our audience also partially consists of young people, starting at age 12. Having Blender and the Blender sites accessible for them is a great asset for us; and we all know Blender works very well in the classroom as an educator's instrument.

This is the only reason why we are very reluctant in accepting content on the official Blender website(s) that might invoke some authority to rank our sites "adult only". And even while it's from my point of view - with the typical Dutch liberal background - ridiculous to mark any nudity immediately as an erotic or pornographic expression (e.g. nipplegate!), I am also very much aware of cultural differences, with different traditions how to treat these poor adolescents suffering raging hormones. Smile

For as long this only affects the official Blender site and our official documentation, I don't think this is restricting us in our work much. The diversity of the Blender community is also a very good thing, so having a nude modeling (or adult) website is very welcome. Linking to such a site then really is an issue for the other community websites to decide on.

The only tricky subject then is - with the sites merging and redesign in process - how to treat this topic within our own community, the "people who want to be involved". It should be reasonable to expect that's an audience mature enough to have understanding and respect for others with different backgrounds too. Because in the end human culture is just too diverse to even try to block anything that's offensive for anyone.
With the people who work on the sites, and the (future) moderators we'll try to clearly map out this issue, and that's a topic we should be able to freely discuss here. No reason at all to delete such a thread.

-Ton-

(Who's still glowing with pleasure after this awesome conference experience!)
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