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Survey!! V.2.5 G.U.I. (graphical user interface)

Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 1:16 pm
by harmonic
Hy guys,

Statistical Survey!!
What G.U.I. (graphical user interface) would you prefer to find in the version 2.5 of blender?



Cinema 4D

Maya

Softimage XSI

Max

Lightwave

Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 1:17 pm
by harmonic
For me Cinema 4D : last version :wink:

Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 1:30 pm
by jesterKing
You forgot the Blender GUI from the list. I choose that.

/Nathan

Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 5:53 pm
by kAinStein
jesterKing wrote:You forgot the Blender GUI from the list. I choose that.

/Nathan
Me too.

Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:36 pm
by harmonic
This is strange.. Thousands people pray for new GUI in blender...

Never tried other softwares??

All features should be find in menus or buttons... and also with hotkeys..

Many blender features are only avaidable in hotkey mode....

For example.. in Cinema4D all buttons and menus can be customizable and the basic functions are well presents in main screen.. pan... rotate.. scale... pivot point... and many others...

Blender outliner don't allow to parent or move objects...

In Cinema this is ever possible with a simple drag and drop... and is sufficient a double click to rename an object...

The possibility to open more than 1 project at a time...

And where is the Pulldown menus for all the sections, dynamics, particles, character ecc.? and "attribute manager" is however a dream..



By the way internet is a democratical place... wellcome Blender too..

Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:37 pm
by harmonic
If possible add also the motivations :wink:

Example... Xsi because etc..

In this way blender programmers could take some idea from many softwares 8)

Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 12:59 am
by kAinStein
harmonic wrote:This is strange..
Really?
Thousands people pray for new GUI in blender...
Thousands like Blender's approach - that's usually called diversity and is a good thing. So if you don't like Blender's UI philosophy then you've got plenty of alternatives to choose from. Some of them are even free software.
Never tried other softwares??
Well, for my part not only tried but extensively used in the past. I would say that is valid for many Blender users (and certainly also for the devs).
All features should be find in menus or buttons... and also with hotkeys..

Many blender features are only avaidable in hotkey mode....
Tell me one that isn't accessible over a menu or button.
Blender outliner don't allow to parent or move objects...

In Cinema this is ever possible with a simple drag and drop... and is sufficient a double click to rename an object...
This is true and if I remember correctly it is being worked on that.
The possibility to open more than 1 project at a time...
Same here.
And where is the Pulldown menus for all the sections, dynamics, particles, character ecc.?

What do you mean?
and "attribute manager" is however a dream..
Really? If you mean "object" or "mesh transform properties" you should have found them in the menu if you don't know the hotkey. Modifiers do the rest. Though the latter is not uniform enough and a little bit cluttered - especially on some specials.
By the way internet is a democratical place... wellcome Blender too..
Honestly, maybe the internet is democratic (though I doubt that statement), but software development, even or especially if it is free software, usually is quite an authoritarian matter. So if you want to make proposals then you're welcome. But you should be aware that free software devs usually do what they like to do and not what people tell them (unless you don't grease them with lots of candy, pizza or beer ;) ).
If possible add also the motivations
I'd stay with the Blender UI philosophy because it's the most efficient and a quite ergonomic approach to do recurrent work - at least most of the time. Which does not mean that it's perfect the way it is.

EDIT: Oh! And I like the way how you can adapt the zoomable interface to special tasks and store them as different screens. I think it works better than in other applications. Not to speak about how fast and responsive the GUI is compared to others - also a reason why Blender is that tiny!

Further information on that topic is found when using the search functionality. I'm not sure if another thread is needed on this. It's getting boring - but that's only my opinion.

Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 1:29 am
by zingbat
"Many blender features are only avaidable in hotkey mode.... "

Like for example?

"For example.. in Cinema4D all buttons and menus can be customizable and the basic functions are well presents in main screen.. pan... rotate.. scale... pivot point... and many others... "

I think that's what's going to happen in Blender 2.5 with the new gui plans.

"In Cinema this is ever possible with a simple drag and drop... and is sufficient a double click to rename an object... "

I could agree with this. It would not break Blenders UI philosophy if we could drag objects within the outliner to reparent them. It would be great for bones and armatures.

"The possibility to open more than 1 project at a time..."

You can open more than one blender file. It's the same thing except that you have to save one of the Blender files to then append/link stuff across files.

"And where is the Pulldown menus for all the sections, dynamics, particles, character ecc.? and "attribute manager" is however a dream.. "

The buttons window has a row of icons that works as a sort of menu and you can do the same thing from the buttons window menu. Let the mouse stay on top of one of those icons for a second and a little info label will describe the button and what keyboard shortcut to use. Like i said this is all planned to be rearranged to tie the missing menu entries in 2.5.

"By the way internet is a democratical place... wellcome Blender too.. "

Ok.

"If possible add also the motivations"

I don't have the slightest clue about what you are talking about here.

Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 9:03 am
by pinhead_66
Hi,

I'l like to ask a moderator to close this thread please.

Motivation: Over time there have been many threads like this one and they all end up the same way.

greets

pin

Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 1:15 pm
by teppic
harmonic wrote:This is strange.. Thousands people pray for new GUI in blender...
I find it strange that so many people expect blender to be something that it isn't. Blender works (and works great at that) for lots of people. If you don't like it, you can ignore blender and choose any other software that you like instead.

If you try a demo version of a commercial application, and you don't like it - do you buy it anyway? Do you start complaining to the authors of the software, and compare it to application X and explain why X is so much better? Or do you just forget about it and go buy application X instead?

For some reason many people act like they have payed for blender, and want their money back when it doesn't live up to their personal expectations.

That really doesn't make sense to me.

Constructive criticism on the other hand is always very welcome, but don't expect the current developers or user base to agree when you want the entire concept of blender to be changed.

Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 7:42 pm
by harmonic
It was a pleasure to read your replies, but at this point the question is... why blender programmers plan to rewrite GUI in V2.5 of blender if it is already perfect??

Take a look or make a search in CGtalk if you don't believe me or in many others forums of C4d.. Xsi.. Maya.. Max... ecc.


However this post is a survey!!!

To make blender better and better.. comunities must be open to new ideas...

If you like Blender Please only write Blender and the motivations you like this GUI... otherwise Cinema4D.. Xsi ... Maya ect.

And stop!! Polemics are useless ;-)

Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 8:46 pm
by Phenow
I've checked out a couple of those other programs and really, knowing a few of the shortcuts does wonders, and with those at your disposal I'd have to vote blender. It's simple design is good because it doesn't take away from what's really supposed to look pretty.. your project. The other GUIs seem bulky and flashy. Also, when you use the other programs I think one might have better luck using it because it shows everything, while Blender is nice enough to dedicate most of it's space to what you need, and if you can't see it, it's probably a shortcut.

Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 9:18 pm
by stiv
Graphical User Interface?! Bah! What a bunch of girly-man mouse-clickers you are.

What Blender needs is a text-based interface so it can be run from inside Emacs as God and Stallman intended.

Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 10:49 pm
by kAinStein
harmonic wrote:It was a pleasure to read your replies, but at this point the question is... why blender programmers plan to rewrite GUI in V2.5 of blender if it is already perfect??
No one claimed anything like that.
Take a look or make a search in CGtalk if you don't believe me or in many others forums of C4d.. Xsi.. Maya.. Max... ecc.
Believe you what? What didn't you understand from what that has been written in here?
However this post is a survey!!!

To make blender better and better.. comunities must be open to new ideas...
You mean as open you are displaying yourself? Yeah, sure. :roll:
If you like Blender Please only write Blender and the motivations you like this GUI... otherwise Cinema4D.. Xsi ... Maya ect.

And stop!! Polemics are useless ;-)
True, so is your so-called survey. A reason more to close this thread as it does not contain any constructive critics or anything else which could be helpful in any way.

stiv:
I would prefer a command line tool that processes piped data which makes it more flexible. If you wish a Emacs integration then you could script it quite easily in Lisp. I wouldn't because I know that Emacs totally sucks compared to vi and isn't worth the effort.

You should better adapt the right creed or you will dwell in the deepest hell!

Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 11:08 pm
by stiv
kAinStein wrote:I wouldn't because I know that Emacs totally sucks compared to vi and isn't worth the effort.

You should better adapt the right creed or you will dwell in the deepest hell!
Blasphemy against the Church of Emacs is punished by installing Vista Service Pack 3 for all eternity. Repent!