Crashes on Win98

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Crashes on Win98

Post by hillborg »

Hi there,

I downloaded 2.25 and it crashes when I open any of the menu items.
So I downloaded 2.27 and the installer won't start (says the file might
be corrupted, but I'm sure it isn't). Then I downloaded 2.26 and it
was the same story with that one (corrupted).

Any cure for this? Please email mikael@mhc.se. I don't read this group
too often.

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Most likely a problem with your graphics drivers. Try updating those...

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Jamesk wrote:Most likely a problem with your graphics drivers. Try updating those...
Well, I updated my ATI Rage LT PRO drivers from 4.00 to the latest 4.11, but it's the same... any clues?

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I think the archive is corrupted (or not adapted/tested for Win98 usage). I get the following message for 2.27:

(start quote)
Installer verification failed.

This could be the result of an incomplete download,
a failing disk, or (possibly) corruption from a virus.

You can try to force an install using the /NCRC
command line switch (but it is NOT recommended).
(end quote)

And version 2.25 crashes when I choose file->open or
file->install license key.

I notice that version 2.27 is 400 KB smaller than version 2.25.
With most software updates, the latest version grows bigger compared
with older versions. But in this case 2.27 is smaller than 2.25.
Is that really correct? Maybe the self extracting EXEs are corrupt?

Which are the requirements? I have DirectX 8 on my computer
and a common graphics driver, the ATI Rage LT PRO (AGP).

Any clues?

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Post by matt_e »

You may like to try downloading the 2.27 Windows ZIP package and see how that goes. You can get it here: http://download.blender.org/release/Ble ... indows.zip

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Post by Jamesk »

Hej och hå!

Well, first of all: ATI cards, Rage in particular, are not the greatest... I had one myself before, and it was an endless source of problems - at least with 3D applications, not only Blender... Nvidia är att föredra.

Now, that doesn't help - about the installer, I haven't got a clue. I think I've used it without problems.

Are there any general problems with your computer otherwise?

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Post by hillborg »

Thanks for the advices, but...
I downloaded the zip file, mentioned above. It unzips fine and the applications starts (as 2.25 did). I can use *all* functions in the program except the file menu. For example, I added a tube and checked it out using the camera view. But ALL functions on the file menu cause a crash. File->open makes it crash. So does save. I have absolutely no problems with my computer nor my computer skills (I have a degree in computer science you know :-). And the graphics driver seems to work fine (the program starts, displays all buttons and menus and the good looking splash screen).

More clues?

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Post by matt_e »

Do the hotkeys for those menu items work? (for example F1 to open).. I wonder if it's a problem in the way it's drawing the menus, or in the functions themselves..

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Post by hillborg »

It seems like Blender's implemented in Python, right?
The installation uses a DLL file called Python22.dll, which
I assume is the runtime Python libraries. Is this Python DLL
compatible with Win98SE? There are slight differences on
Win98 and for example Win2K. For example, newlines in
config and text files are handled a bit different on Win98 than
on Win2K. Win2K can deal with Linux and UNIX style newlines,
but Win98 cannot. I noticed that some of the config files, such
as .blender/.Blanguages and .blender/locale/* have UN*X style
newlines. Maybe that's the problem? In that case, it's not
Win98 compatible.

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broken wrote:Do the hotkeys for those menu items work? (for example F1 to open).. I wonder if it's a problem in the way it's drawing the menus, or in the functions themselves..
The hot keys don't work. They cause the same problem (crash).

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Post by matt_e »

Hrm, ok. Maybe it's something in the file selector. Does it crash if you choose 'Image Browser' or 'File Browser' from the window type menu button? (furthest left button on the 3D viewport's window header, next to the fullsize window and home buttons).

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broken wrote:Hrm, ok. Maybe it's something in the file selector. Does it crash if you choose 'Image Browser' or 'File Browser' from the window type menu button? (furthest left button on the 3D viewport's window header, next to the fullsize window and home buttons).
It doesn't crash when I browse around using "Image browser" nor when I use the "File Browser" but if I open some of the documents, then I get a crash.

I have another computer, which runs both XP and Win98 (dual boot). I tried on that one and it works on both Win98 and XP on that machine. So it seems like it's something on this machine that's interfering. It doesn't seem to be a problem with the graphics driver though. Hmmm. Damn. I'd really like to run it on this machine, my fav. Well well...

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What graphics card have you got installed on the other machine? (the one in which blender does run on W98)

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Jamesk wrote:What graphics card have you got installed on the other machine? (the one in which blender does run on W98)
It's an NVIDIA GeForce 2 on that (working) machine. That's a much newer card, from around 2001, and the ATI Rage LT Pro is from around 1998/1999. But still, it seems hard to believe that it's the graphics card, because the application seems to run fine until some of the file I/O dialogs open. Maybe the file dialogs use a special type of rendering that causes the graphics driver to crash...?

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Post by Jamesk »

In a perfect world, these differences between your machines should not matter, of course... But still - I think you've got your answer.

Please, anyone, feel free to correct me here!

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