Nope, you don't get my point.
Asking for features makes only sense if someone wants to implement them.
I thought the description of this forum was:
"The interface, modeling, 3d editing tools, import/export, feature requests
If you are handing out tasks then most likely nobody is going to do it. Unless somebody did it already for himself and might want to share, that's a different case. That's my opinion, but it's based on 8 years following blender development.
Yes, I know you have been around for long, I guess I can only say 5 years for myself, as a user, not a developer.
Why develop, if not for the users? Is programming an end in itself? If noone wants to do it, fine. Its just better to let the developers know what some users would like.
Yeah, blah-blah... I guess thinking like that is my fault... I'm doing industrial design, one of the main points of which is *user-involvement* using focus groups, GOMS analysis, and whatnot, which are all methods to find out what a user needs. Without the user, there is no product. Well, never mind...
"Handing out tasks" is a bit harsh, Greybeard suggested something that would be useful, not a completely new tool, and I agreed (I happened to post exactly the same idea in another thread a few days ago, and someone pointed to this thread).
No. If it does, it's bad practice. Hacking in small details without thinking about the big picture is going to break up the code. Just look how marvolus firefox is; pretty much build from ground up, not a basic thing with lots of added silly little requests.
Yeah, I use Firefox all the time!
However, Blender itself seems like it doesn't have, or at least didn't have a big picture in the last 2-3 years.
Well you don't, so how can you argue on this topic anyway?
Why would I do it for you? Only to hear someone ask to get it out again or todo something else, in the meantime I have become your employee.
I argued based on this:
ideasman wrote:since it only requires chenging a few && ..to ||'s I think sombody should go ahead and do it.
So how about a mesure tool?
You can select an object and/or edge and/or vertex and/or face and put it in 'draw value' mode. Select two objects and it will draw the distance between them, select an object and vertex and it will draw the distance in between them, select 3 verteces and it will draw the distance inbetween them.
See what I mean, I turned the little feature request into a tool, alot more people can use it, in alot more cases. But, probably with the same amount of work for the developer. Not only making it nicer to make, but a better tool to have.
I hope you are wearing your shoes with the steel nose.
All I'm saying that you have a better change to get what you want implemented if the request sounds like a plan that fits in blender, and you'll get more credit from me if it's a tool and not just a little detail that you should be able to implement yourself.
If it does not have some construction I think those 'requests' are better put in http://www.elysiun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34696
'cause frankly; If you can't implement it yourself then I wonder what you are doing on this forum... "Telling developers what users want" is the most weird thing I've heard on this forum. Who says 'the developers' want to hear from users what they want? Do you really think they can't come up with something like displaying the distance between two verteces? Or is it more important now because 3 people know this site and post a request?
...Greybeard suggested something that would be useful, not a completely new tool...
So you agree it's not a feature request, but a tweek.
...Without the user, there is no product. ...
O dear, all the products in the world are made to user requests?
What about invention; making money; changing the world; educating people into doing something they didn't know would be possible?
But that's part of my point: Blender developers don't work for the users.
If they don't get satisfaction from the work, they are not going to do it.
Ofcourse it could be possible that someone will do it because they like you or greybeard, or that they have already done it and will share.
But in my point of view it's smarter to appeal to the sense that it will improve blender, 'cause that's something everybody wants. And this appeal is best made with a good constructive plan, not with a personal opinion remark. "Blender will improve with z to y " is not going to work for a developer, they will be thinking about how a hack like that will be destructive to the code. So you, should think about the developer as your client/customer; how are you going to present your request to them? If you are not interested that this developer has (customer) needs as well then you are not going to 'sell' your idea.
'cause,... this *is* a developers forum.
I know the forum reads "The interface, modeling, 3d editing tools, import/export, feature requests, etc". So what? You do a feature request, and if I find it a poor one I'll say so. I'll even give hints on how to improve the request. (O wait, you are a designer, so the request must be perfect to begin with).
What do you want ? Do you need the forum names changed to
"The interface from a developers perspective, modeling from a developers perspective, 3d editing tools from a developers perspective, import/export from a developers perspective, feature requests from a developers perspective, etc from a developers perspective" ?
This post has become to long for a 3 vertex distance display request, but I hope my blah-blah as you call it will help some people to get their ideas implemented in blender.