blender freezes me system, Ubuntu

mudpuddlestones · Post by **mudpuddlestones** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 3:18 am

I have a problem running Blender under Ubuntu.........I'm just migrating so be easy.
whenever I scale(resize) a window, which is as far as I get, my system freezes to the point that I have to pop out the battery to restart.
I've worked really hard over the past couple days to get my dual heads up and to get compiz (which is awesome) running so I hope this is something simple.

I'm running Ubuntu 7, Feisty
with ATI x700 (90 some odd % of the problem)
fglrx driver....had to, sorry, know its not open

note that the problem ( crashing) shows up whether I log in with XGL or not, and with or without compiz.

I really Want to be running Linux, but I Need to be able to Blend

here's a look at my xorgconf:
(anything else needed please let me know)
note: anything that sounds like I know what I'm talking about has been learned over the past couple days of migration, don't be deceived I'm still a dumb XP user.

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "Default Layout"
Screen "Default Screen" 0 0
InputDevice "Generic Keyboard"
InputDevice "Configured Mouse"
InputDevice "stylus" "SendCoreEvents"
InputDevice "cursor" "SendCoreEvents"
InputDevice "eraser" "SendCoreEvents"
InputDevice "Synaptics Touchpad"
EndSection

Section "Files"

# path to defoma fonts
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi"
FontPath "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load "bitmap"
Load "ddc"
Load "dri"
Load "extmod"
Load "freetype"
Load "glx"
Load "int10"
Load "vbe"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Generic Keyboard"
Driver "kbd"
Option "CoreKeyboard"
Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
Option "XkbLayout" "us"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Configured Mouse"
Driver "mouse"
Option "CorePointer"
Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Synaptics Touchpad"
Driver "synaptics"
Option "SendCoreEvents" "true"
Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
Option "Protocol" "auto-dev"
Option "HorizScrollDelta" "0"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "stylus"
Driver "wacom"
Option "Device" "/dev/input/wacom"
Option "Type" "stylus"
Option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4"# Tablet PC ONLY
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "eraser"
Driver "wacom"
Option "Device" "/dev/input/wacom"
Option "Type" "eraser"
Option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4"# Tablet PC ONLY
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "cursor"
Driver "wacom"
Option "Device" "/dev/input/wacom"
Option "Type" "cursor"
Option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4"# Tablet PC ONLY
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Generic Monitor"
HorizSync 28.0 - 51.0
VertRefresh 43.0 - 60.0
Option "DPMS"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier "Generic Video Card"
Driver "fglrx"
Option "DesktopSetup" "horizontal"
Option "Capabilities" "0x00000800"
Option "PairModes" "0x0+0x0"
BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Default Screen"
Device "Generic Video Card"
Monitor "Generic Monitor"
DefaultDepth 24
SubSection "Display"
Depth 1
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 4
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 8
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 15
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 16
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "DRI"
Mode 0666
EndSection

Section "Extensions"
Option "Composite" "0"
EndSection

thanks in advance, I'm jealous your Blending and I'm not

ponderz · Post by **ponderz** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 4:45 am

What is the blender version you are running ?

Did you install it using Synaptic ?

Did you ever have it working, i.e. as in without dual head and no compiz ?

How much memory on your system ?

And you have a problem with just blender with default scene, or fairly big scene ?

Elmos_ASSASSIN · Post by **Elmos_ASSASSIN** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:04 am

What is compiz?

mudpuddlestones · Post by **mudpuddlestones** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 3:15 pm

ponderz wrote:What is the blender version you are running ?

Did you install it using Synaptic ?

Did you ever have it working, i.e. as in without dual head and no compiz ?

How much memory on your system ?

And you have a problem with just blender with default scene, or fairly big scene ?

I originally installed using the Apllications>Add/remove, which I believe is a front end for apt -get. I reinstalled using Synaptic, version 2.43 Obuntu3.

When I first installed Ubuntu, and Big Desktop, Blender seemed to work fine, but I really didn't do much experimenting with it, since I was trying to get everything else to work.

I have a gig of Ram....so I doubt that's the issue.

When I open Blender in my Apps menue I have two choices(which is new to me XP only 1) a. windowed b. fullscreen. A side effect of BigDesktop has been that a window, when maximized, will span across both heads. So I haven't bothered with fullscreen because I can't scale the window. Opening Blender in "windowed", default cube, allows me to scale(resize) the window. When I scale it down to fit one of the heads is when my system freezes...so I don't get far really.
Note: for testing purpose I installed Wings, whose window opens across only one head, however I tried to scale the window anyways and my system freezes.

I'm severely depressed with this because I had the week off and planned to get some work done.......and instead have spent all my time migrating.....but nothing worth anything is easy right. Hope someone has some insight cause google isn't providing much on this one

Best wishes

mudpuddlestones · Post by **mudpuddlestones** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 3:19 pm

Elmos_ASSASSIN wrote:What is compiz?

Compiz -Fusion is a really cool windows manager that adds 3d effects to your desktop.
check:
http://kevin.vanzonneveld.net/techblog/ ... tu_feisty/

for some you tube clips of it in action.

Linux only I believe

Post by **stiv** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 3:47 pm

Not meaning to sound harsh, but you are running an ATI chip (poor opengl support) on a laptop (poor graphics in general) and trying to use a fancy opengl window manager. It is not surprising you are having difficulties.

To quote from your link: Compiz Fusion is still in development. So use at own risk. You've been warned!

mudpuddlestones · Post by **mudpuddlestones** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 4:20 pm

stiv wrote:Not meaning to sound harsh, but you are running an ATI chip (poor opengl support) on a laptop (poor graphics in general) and trying to use a fancy opengl window manager. It is not surprising you are having difficulties.

To quote from your link: Compiz Fusion is still in development. So use at own risk. You've been warned!

yes I know, but I have no alternative. The problem persists regardless of whether my session is XGL or not. I don't expect to be brow beaten in a typically friendly community, I assume I'm not the first person to have the issue nor the last(so maybe I can pay it forward in the future, how this is supposed to work right). I was hoping that some of the people smarter than me could help. I'm monitoring this by email, so please use the forum in the typical helpful manner and not to blow off steam. You waste my any other busy peoples time.

Post by **stiv** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:18 pm

It is not browbeating. I'm merely pointing out the choice between nifty wizbang stuff and stuff that works.

The fundamental issue here is OpenGL support. You may have more luck dealing with your problems on compiz and ubuntu forums.

mudpuddlestones · Post by **mudpuddlestones** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 1:42 am

stiv wrote:It is not browbeating. I'm merely pointing out the choice between nifty wizbang stuff and stuff that works.

The fundamental issue here is OpenGL support. You may have more luck dealing with your problems on compiz and ubuntu forums.

thanks for your help. Included in your backwards thinking was a legitimate suggestion. I am working on those forums. Just wish you'd distinguish between suggestions and opinions, the latter of which I have no use for from you.

LetterRip · Post by **LetterRip** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:27 am

Both of stivs responses were highly civil, and your response to him was fairly rude.

As he noted the combination of experimental eye candy window manager + laptop +ATI means there are a number of potential bad opengl interactions.

First try just blender and just using the software opengl - that should make it clear that it isn't Blender. Then try without compiz - that should determine if it is a ATI issue or a compiz issue.

LetterRip

mudpuddlestones · Post by **mudpuddlestones** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:36 am

LetterRip wrote:Both of stivs responses were highly civil, and your response to him was fairly rude.

As he noted the combination of experimental eye candy window manager + laptop +ATI means there are a number of potential bad opengl interactions.

First try just blender and just using the software opengl - that should make it clear that it isn't Blender. Then try without compiz - that should determine if it is a ATI issue or a compiz issue.

LetterRip

Well I would have to disagree. Neither response addressed the topic and instead criticised my attempt to run Blender under my present configuration and downsized a really beautiful thing in compiz. There's nothing fancy about compiz, once the bugs are worked I personally would not settle for less. If you sincerely agree, then you are also in error. While I am relatively new to Linux, and to this forum, I am fully matured in the social exchange of information (nothing to do with computers) . When help was offered and pointed to, I acknowledged and was gracious for it (I am thankful for yours).
There was nothing rude in my response. I simply will not tolerate, in any endeavour, intellectual posturing( however subtle), nor ( and this is in my opinion the greater sin) a waste of my time. Yes, I am learning and most likely inferior when it come to Linux compared to most, but I would never, on any topic, jump in and in essence say " well your blah just won't work" and " why are you even trying that anyway." This is a ridiculous approach to growth ( isn't that the idea behind this whole living Linux thing?) and is worst than counter productive. Instead it reflects a cognitively stale manner of holding ground.

jesterKing · Post by **jesterKing** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:15 am

mudpuddlestones. Stop feeling attacked, since you weren't. Taking this onto the personal level is Not Ok<tm>. If you insist on complaining how you got attacked, I'll lock this thread.

It is a known fact that your combination of hardware and software is just very prone to Doesn't Work<tm>. Search the forums.

If you want to use Blender, you'll have to "settle for less". Don't forget: less is more...

/Nathan

mudpuddlestones · Post by **mudpuddlestones** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:30 am

jesterKing wrote:mudpuddlestones. Stop feeling attacked, since you weren't. Taking this onto the personal level is Not Ok<tm>. If you insist on complaining how you got attacked, I'll lock this thread.

It is a known fact that your combination of hardware and software is just very prone to Doesn't Work<tm>. Search the forums.

If you want to use Blender, you'll have to "settle for less". Don't forget: less is more...

/Nathan

I have searched, and yes I know its a difficult config( that's all I've been doing in effort to fix the problem). However, before you lock the thread ( which is fine) carefully consider the validity of my argument removed from your association with the other posters. If you still feel I'm a loon, then that's your parogative ( it's your house) hopefully reason will prevail . But yes, I think that the line has been inappropriate, and yes I insist. No, I wasn't complaining to the house but someone has...right? I'll disappear but integrity remains.

you have my mail either way

snifi · Post by **snifi** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:11 pm

I have the same problem in my newly installed Kubuntu AMD64-mashine as mudpuddlestones describes. I do not have any special windowing managers, just simple screen and NVIDIA-graphic gard. My suppose is it must be some problem in communication between Kubuntu windowing system and OpenGL. The "freezing" of system appears a bit hazardly when rezising windows with OpenGL-content, sometimes when opening menus. The only OpenGL applications till now in my system are Blender, MakeHuman and once tried glgears (or something...), and they all behave the same. In my system "freezing" does not happen when I open Blender in fullscreen-mode, and just render in "image-preview", so that has been my solve until I find something else.

jesterKing · Post by **jesterKing** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:41 pm

Sounds like the code to create (bordered) windows with an opengl context fails. If this happen for other opengl projects as well, it strongly suggests it is a problem with the opengl part of the operating system (driver).

Have you tried playing any opengl game in windowed mode?

/Nathan

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